shameless? sure.

[immoetality]

Whatever, whatever. I didn't do one last month, and AJ said to. So, question meme for Vincent and CC. That is an awesome color scheme.

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[immoetality]

LOLO PRETTY GODDAMN JEALOUS, TBH. He was annoyed and laughed it off when it first happened, but as it keeps coming up and being a thing . . . Vincent is just bothered and frustrated forever. It's not like he can actually do anything to make the situation better, though!

To backtrack, Vincent was sort of very privately into Yuri, didn't really know what he was doing with himself but he kept enjoying what was going between them. They keep growing closer together and so on, which is pretty swell and unnerving and not as bad as it could be but still has the potential to be! Then, before Vincent was even aware of the situation, Yuri and Elliot knew each other and were a family . . . Like, Vincent getting to introduce Yuri to Gilbert went so much better, because Vincent could control that interaction and he could see how it goes down. What happens between Elliot and Yuri is really rather behind closed doors, and he can't sneak more than a rare glimpse into the situation without getting spotted for what he's doing . . . And he can only do so much on assumptions and hypotheticals, really.

So, Vincent has a lot of love for Elliot, but he's not allowed to be open and honest about it. He's really a piece of shit in general towards Elliot and has no intention of changing that, because it would be a lie. This is definitely where they are at, and Vincent cannot be close to Elliot without things potentially, more than likely, going south. Besides, it's not in Vincent's structure to honestly be compassionate and caring for another. If Elliot wants concern and affection, then he's going to get the facade that Vincent puts on and not the real deal. In that sense, Vincent is ten times more honest with Elliot for not pretending to be a great big brother which he could do without hesitation. Yuri, however!!!, can sit there and be completely nice and honest and open with Elliot, give him the love and affection that the boy needs, and do all these really awesome things . . . And it kind of fucking sucks for Vincent. He's stuck in this place, and while he appreciates that Elliot does get to have a good person in his life and that these are two people who really work together better than Elliot and him do . . . He knows Elliot, he loves Elliot, he has had so much more time, but he can never match what Yuri does and will never try to.

So, Vincent sort of just turns a blind eye to Yuri and Elliot. He doesn't want to be involved the way that Yuri wants him to be, because Vincent knows very damn well that the concept of family that Yuri and Elliot are both enchanted with is not a model that fits Vincent in with. Vincent sees family on a completely different level from them, and those two ideologies could blend and work together . . . But that would involve Vincent actually talking about what he thinks and feels about something, lolo. At heart, Vincent would rather be divorced from the Nightray name/family and leave it between those two, because he prefers to retreat and not involve as opposed to making any sort of stance or trouble openly. I have told Lei before that Vincent would consider it a very nice end to things if Yuri and Elliot somehow got together if/when he disappears, because they suit each other so well. Not just that Yuri is a good influence for Elliot, but Yuri also needs the influence of Elliot. Yuri wants to be a good person for all his parading around trying to play the devil's advocate, so Elliot can certainly help him foster that sort of idea and work it in his own way. They are completely sexually incongruent, but . . . Well, that's not on his mind. It works on the theoretical level for Vincent, at least.

As for the family on a whole . . . Vincent doesn't really see Yuri as part of it, still. Rather, the Nightray family as it exists with Vincent as a part of it does not and cannot include Yuri, so it remains between Yuri, Elliot, and Gilbert and it is . . . Pretty frayed. It's supposed to be frayed, because Vincent keeps it that way while still viewing them as a family and together in his mind. Really, it's still the same broken down structure they had before Elliot and Vanessa died where Gilbert is fucking off on his own and doesn't check in as much, Elliot is steam-rolling into whatever he gets himself into, and Vincent sits back and does not much bother with anyone outside of being creepy at Gilbert. It's how they work, it's all that Vincent knows to do with family, so while they could potentially spend time together and be domestic . . . It would be so awkward! And none of them would know what to do! Vincent knows it, so he's like never going to attend any sort of family dinner, oh god no.

Also, I spot that subtle household stick in there and, well, Leo is an attache to Elliot rather than being part of the group. Vincent will probably never look on Leo as family the same as Yuri is not family. They are not at the core of this group and are just important to individuals who are family.

So, how much would Elliot punch Yuri for trying to be a bad guy/thinking that he is? Is Vincent pretty on about his hypotheticals?

[heliokleptic]

A-awww Vince ;; When I saw 'jealous' i assumed it would be jealous that Elliot is touching Vincent's thing that was JUST HIS.

Though for the record, while Elliot is also aware he will probably never have the relationship with Vince (or Gil, for that matter) that he has with Yuri, in the moments when Vincent is really sincere and wants to... let Elliot know that he matters, it is like the ONLY TIME they are actually on the same page. So he knows Vincent cares for him (though he will probably never in a million years guess Vincent would like to be a better brother..).

AS FOR YOUR QUESTION

Hrmmmm. It really 100% depends on how Elliot found out. If Yuri was like THESE ARE THE BAD THINGS I HAVE DONE ERGO I AM A BAD MAN. Elliot would acknowledge that Yuri has some shit to pay for, but deny that he's a bad person. If Yuri pushed it, Elliot would pull out "Well this is the shit _I've_ done, do you believe I'm bad?" and when Yuri was inevitably like THAT'S DIFFERENT. Elliot would go off on how circumstances do matter, as do intentions. Blahblah IF YOU FEEL BAD THAN DO SOMETHING TO MAKE UP FOR IT, IF YOU JUST RESIGN YOURSELF TO IT I WILL KICK YOUR ASS =TTTT

I doubt Yuri could make him mad enough to ACTUALLY HIT HIM. At least in the 'regretting my past' scenario.

If he actually CAUGHT YURI DOING SOMETHING UNDERHANDED OR TRYING TO BE THE JUDGE AND JURY yes he would punch him and kick his ass and rar rar you don't have the right to decide these things. THAT SAID since Aather doesn't really have a judicial system it would be kind of complicated. But basically if he felt Yuri was going overboard he would be enraged, and if he didn't, he would be fully supportive =Dbb

Overall tho he will never let Yuri get away with thinking that poorly of himself if he had any idea.

SO IDK VINCENT ARE YOU PRETTY ON?

Also, why did Luke get an 'lol' as far as WHAT THINGS PEOPLE DID TO PISS CC OFF DURING THAT GAME...

[immoetality]

Well, he didn't really do too, too much . . . She didn't appreciate him having such a strong, immediate reaction to Mukuro's dickery since it was pretty damn overt, but she is also new to the game/team, so it may have been the appropriate one, who knows! He was also playing team leader which was riding that same middle road that she favored, so they were in about the same spot . . . But she felt more sympathy for Dera on the whole, while having a new, mm, appreciation for Luke? Still, if you put an authority figure in front of CC who rarely follows anyone's rules except her own, she has the tendency to flounce off or clash with them, so the lol was just . . . The potential and unrest that subconsciously popped up. She doesn't want to be at odds with a leader, but she also doesn't want to follow one, either.

. . . Is Luke team leader? Thoughts on that and general discourse on Ruby?

[heliokleptic]

Nah... Luke doesn't have much leadership in him, because there are very few circumstances where he is truly confident in himself. However, one of those circumstances is DEALING WITH ACEDIA, particularly when he is BEING AN ASSHOLE. So I guess his decision making became very decisive in that circumstance. Also he knows Oz well enough to know Oz would be really upset if they had killed anyone his behalf, so for Oz's sake he was strongly against it. If it had been different circumstances, he actually kill agree to kill people in games. He just doesn't think it is worth it if you only hurt the person you are trying to save worse by doing so.

NORMALLY in games like these Ruby discusses, maybe bickers a little, but usually comes to a conclusion everyone can agree with it. Sometimes Luke and Wrath fight (usually not about what to do, but about Wrath thinking Luke thinks Wrath is mean because he defended the more selfish option. Since Wrath lost his memories tho idk if this will come up again). Dawn tends to take whatever option has the least amount of danger in general, and the least amount of danger to Ruby in particular. He WILL sacrifice himself, but he won't ask anyone else on Ruby to sacrifice themselves for someone on another team. So if the game had been different, there's a good possibility Luke would have agreed with CC and Dera.

OVERALL Ruby has never had a leader, however they do tend to trade off who they 'follow' in games, depending on who has the most experience, confident, or just whoever is playing the most actively that night. No one on Ruby WANTS a leader, either, as far as I know. They've talked about it a few times. Dawn soundly vetoed Acedia back before Wrath realized how crazy Acedia was, and normally he wouldn't follow Wrath either, because he knows Acedia manipulates him a lot. Noooow he probably wouldn't because Wrath doesn't seem very confident. Senash has been moody and lying to the team lately, so Dawn would be dubious about following him too blankly, and Oz isn't much of a leader at all. If CC ever SEEMED LEADERLY maybe, but mostly he just doesn't think Ruby needs it. They manage to reach their own conclusions, even if it isn't always pretty, and despite being a fluff ball Luke is really sturdy, so it takes a loooong time for the fighting to wear him down. Also, Luke has a BIG THING about making his own decisions, so he would point blank defy a leader if he couldn't agree with him/her 8D; And Luke's concept of team is too incomplete for Wrath and Acedia to ever follow him.

BASICALLY IT WOULD NEVER WORK. But everyone on the team more or less has their own methods of bullying the others around, and there is a lot of give and take.

Why did CC go to the treehouse instead of the clinic =x?